Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
NameRichard DE DOUVRES Baron Of Chilham, 22G Grandfather
FatherJohn 'Lackland' PLANTAGENET King Of England (1167-1216)
Spouses
1Rohese DE DOUVRES, 22G Grandmother
FatherFulbert DE DOUVRES Baron Of Chilham (>1177-~1204)
MotherIsabel BRIWERE (~1184-~1233)
ChildrenIsabel (~1218-1276)
Web Notes notes for Richard DE DOUVRES Baron Of Chilham
From "Complete Peerage England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britian" by George E Cokayne, CS421.G2 1982, v IV, page 236, Desmond:
Thomas fitz Morice Fitzgerald married before 7 Feb 1283, Margaret, daughter of Sir Thomas de Berkeley of Berkeley, county Gloucester [Lord Berkeley], by Joan, daughter of William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby. The fact that Margaret was the King's cousin, restricts the inquiry as to her paternity to a very few families. Thomas fitz Morice made a fine with the King in 700 marks for his marriage, and Thomas de Berkeley bound himself to pay the whole of this sum. Fine Rolls, 12 Edw. I, m. 18: Close Roll, 12 Edw I, m. 4 d. Thomas de Berkeley had a daughter Margaret, to whom no husband has hitherto been assigned. The charter of 6 Feb 1291/2 is still among the muniments at Berkeley Castle. Further evidence is given elsewhere in these notes of a close connection between the Berkeleys and Thomas fitz Morice, his wife, and his sons. It may therefore be confidently asserted that Margaret, wife of Thomas fitz Morice, was daughter of Thomas de Berkeley, and consequently granddaughter of Isabel, called the King's cousins, daughter of Richard de Dovor, illegitimate son of King John.
In the pleas whereby "Richard the King's Son" and Roese de Douvres, his wife, impleaded Robert FitzWalter and Richard de Montfichet for lands of the de Lucy's inheritance in September 1227 Roese, the plaintiff distinctly states that she was the daughter of Fulbert de Douvres (Assize R., 358, m. 8d; Bracton's Note Bk. no. 1764; Essex Arch. Soc. Trans. n.s., vol. XX, pp. 102-106).117
Roese, daughter and heiress of Fulbert de Douvres, was a minor at his death. She married twice. She was married first, about 1214, to "Richard the King's son", also called "Richard de Chilham" from his wife's heritage. After the death of Richard the King's son, about 1245, Roese married secondly, about 1251, William de Wilton, a Justice of Henry III, who died 14 Apr 1264, and Roese, herself, died about the same time.117
Richard was the founder of the second house of Douvres or Chilham. He was a bastard son of King John by his cousin, a daughter of Hameline "Plantagenet", Earl of Warenne, who was the bastard son of Count Geoffrey of Anjou, grandfather of King John. (Robert of Gloucester; cf. The Genealogist, n.s., vol. XXII, p. 108). The second house has been considered in an excellent and fully documented monograph by Mr. G. I. Turner in The Genealogist, n.s., vol. XXII, pp. 105-109).117
In Sep 1227 Richard, the King's son, and Roese de Douvres, his wife, were impleading Robert fitzWalter and Richard de Montfichet (grandsons of the Justiciar Richard de Lucy) for lands in Lesnes, co. Kent, and the pleadings state that Roese was the daughter of Fulbert and a granddaughter of Roese de Lucy, who was seised in King Richard's time (Assize Roll 358 m. 8d; Essex Arch. Soc. Trans. n.s., vol. XX, pp. 102-106).117
Thomas fitz Morice Fitzgerald married before 7 Feb 1283, Margaret, daughter of Sir Thomas de Berkeley of Berkeley, county Gloucester [Lord Berkeley], by Joan, daughter of William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby. The fact that Margaret was the King's cousin, restricts the inquiry as to her paternity to a very few families. Thomas fitz Morice made a fine with the King in 700 marks for his marriage, and Thomas de Berkeley bound himself to pay the whole of this sum. Fine Rolls, 12 Edw. I, m. 18: Close Roll, 12 Edw I, m. 4 d. Thomas de Berkeley had a daughter Margaret, to whom no husband has hitherto been assigned. The charter of 6 Feb 1291/2 is still among the muniments at Berkeley Castle. Further evidence is given elsewhere in these notes of a close connection between the Berkeleys and Thomas fitz Morice, his wife, and his sons. It may therefore be confidently asserted that Margaret, wife of Thomas fitz Morice, was daughter of Thomas de Berkeley, and consequently granddaughter of Isabel, called the King's cousins, daughter of Richard de Dovor, illegitimate son of King John.
In the pleas whereby "Richard the King's Son" and Roese de Douvres, his wife, impleaded Robert FitzWalter and Richard de Montfichet for lands of the de Lucy's inheritance in September 1227 Roese, the plaintiff distinctly states that she was the daughter of Fulbert de Douvres (Assize R., 358, m. 8d; Bracton's Note Bk. no. 1764; Essex Arch. Soc. Trans. n.s., vol. XX, pp. 102-106).117
Roese, daughter and heiress of Fulbert de Douvres, was a minor at his death. She married twice. She was married first, about 1214, to "Richard the King's son", also called "Richard de Chilham" from his wife's heritage. After the death of Richard the King's son, about 1245, Roese married secondly, about 1251, William de Wilton, a Justice of Henry III, who died 14 Apr 1264, and Roese, herself, died about the same time.117
Richard was the founder of the second house of Douvres or Chilham. He was a bastard son of King John by his cousin, a daughter of Hameline "Plantagenet", Earl of Warenne, who was the bastard son of Count Geoffrey of Anjou, grandfather of King John. (Robert of Gloucester; cf. The Genealogist, n.s., vol. XXII, p. 108). The second house has been considered in an excellent and fully documented monograph by Mr. G. I. Turner in The Genealogist, n.s., vol. XXII, pp. 105-109).117
In Sep 1227 Richard, the King's son, and Roese de Douvres, his wife, were impleading Robert fitzWalter and Richard de Montfichet (grandsons of the Justiciar Richard de Lucy) for lands in Lesnes, co. Kent, and the pleadings state that Roese was the daughter of Fulbert and a granddaughter of Roese de Lucy, who was seised in King Richard's time (Assize Roll 358 m. 8d; Essex Arch. Soc. Trans. n.s., vol. XX, pp. 102-106).117