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The Salusbury arms
Gules (i.e. red background), a lion rampant argent (i.e. white), crowned or (i.e. gold) between three crescents of the last (i.e. gold).
'According to our Welsh records, Lleweni was originally called Llysmarchweithian, the Court of Marchweithian [ancestor of Katherine of Berain] one of the founders of the Fifteen Tribes, or patrician families, of North Wales; but tradition makes it to have been nothing more than Pwll-y-Llyffant, or Toad's Pool, until Sir John y Bodiau slew the white lioness in the Tower of London, and was, henceforth, commanded by the king to bear a white lioness ("llewen") on his shield, and set one over his hall door; and thence called the place Lleweni. This evidently refers to the heraldic motto - Sat est prostrasse leoni. Indeed, the author, although a very sanguine Welshman, cannot help coming to the conclusion that it is quite possible that Lleweni may be a Welsh corruption of the Latin 'leoni', the very word inscribed over the entrance of the ancient palace, as its being an English 'barbarism' of the Welsh 'Llwyni' or 'groves'. It is not known to what the legend refers, but it may be rendered, "It is enough to have prostrated to a lion, - to have done homage to a lion" or, "it is no disgrace to have succumbed to a lion," or, "the magnanimous lion requires no more than homage as a title to the territory." Most of these heraldic mottoes are ambiguous. Whether these armorial bearings refer to any grant or title from Richard Coeur de Lion we know not. The three crescents and Saracen (as seen under Sir John y Bodiau's head) evidently refer to the Crusades.
The ancient palace of Lleweni was, in its time, one of the most princely mansions of North Wales, and although it stood on a dead level, surrounded by its extensive Forest, it commanded an enchanting view of the Castle and Town of Denbigh, - a city built on a hill; its eastern side. The original house was built in 720 A. D. This venerable and interesting mansion was taken down for materials to build Kinmel Palace. The old Lleweni Library (a collection of ancient, curious and rare works, valuable MSS, connected with the history of the Salusbury family, and the annals of Denbigh Castle; paintings of old masters, &c.,) became either scattered or lost. The fine-toned old organ, which once stood in the great hall, is that now in St. Hilary's Chapel [Denbigh]. The late Lord Dinorben's father also cut down the remains of the ancient forest, and realized a very large sum of money by the timber, having bought Lleweni for £209,000, much less, it is said, than the real value of the estate.'
Quoted from 'Ancient and Modern Denbigh'.
This son...... JOHN SALUSBURY, would naturally succeed the father in his possessions and probably is the very John whose death is recorded as having taken place in the year 1289. He had married Katherine Seymour, and had by her a son... HENRY SALUSBURY, who succeeded to the estates of his father and grandfather.
According to Peter Ellis, the first Sir John Salusbury of Lleweni died in 1089; his father being settled here in the time of the Conqueror. He also states that the first Salusbury of Lleweni was Syr Harry Ddu, a name rendered famous by our ancient Welsh minstrels. Reinault, however, makes this Syr Harry to be the 4th Salusbury, who died in 1289. But we think the latter must be mistaken, as the knight who died in 1289 was Sir John Salusbury, who, on his return from the Crusades in 1284, founded the Abbey at Denbigh, as proved by a monumental brass discovered in the crypt of that ruin some years back. According to Burke, this Sir John was grandson of Adam de Salzburg, governor of this castle; but he tells us elsewhere that Lleweni was given to Black Sir Harry by Edward 1, in 1284. It would, however, appear to us that the only way of reconciling these disagreeing authorities is to take Sir John, who founded the Abbey, to be Black Sir Harry's son, and grandson to Adam de Salzburg.
So far as we have been able to decipher, no Salisbury is mentioned in Henry de Lacy's Charter, when he grants tenements, &c...within and without the walls of "Denbigh," and at "Lleweni"...to his numerous followers, the Del Pekes, Pigots, De Westmorlands, Blackburns &c. The fact of their already holding their grants direct from the crown may account for this remarkable omission. "According to our Welsh records, Lleweni was originally called Llysmarchweithian, the Court of Marchweithian, one of the founders of the Fifteen Tribes, or patrician families, of North Wales; but tradition makes it to have been nothing more than Pwll-y-Llyffant, or Toad's Pool, until Sir John y Bodiau slew the white lioness in the tower of London, and was henceforth commanded by the king to wear a white lioness ( "llewen" * ) on his shield, and set one over his hall door; and hence the place was called Lleweni. This evidently refers to the heraldic motto...Sat est prostrasse Leoni. Indeed the author, although a very sanguine Welshman, cannot help coming to the conclusion that it is quite as possible that Lleweni may be a Welsh corruption of the Latin Leoni, the very word inscribed over the entrance of the ancient palace, as its being an English "barbarism" of the Welsh Llwyni or groves. It is not known to what the legend refers, but it may be rendered, "It is enough to have prostrated to a lion,...to have done homage to a lion; or "It is no disgrace to have succumbed to a lion," or "the magnanimous lion requires no more than homage as a title to the territory." Most of those heraldic mottoes are ambiguous. Whether these armorial bearings refer to any grant or title from Richard Coeur de Lion we know not. The 3 crescents and Saracen (as seen under Sir John y Bodiau's head) evidently refer to the Crusades. "The ancient palace of Lleweni was, in its time, one of the most princely mansions in North Wales; and although it stood on a dead level, surrounded by its extensive forest, it commanded an enchanting view of the castle and town of Denbigh...a city built on a hill; as well of the majestic heights which flank the Vale, especially on its eastern side. The original house was built in AD 720. This venerable and interesting mansion was taken down for materials to build Kinmel Palace. The old Lleweni Library, ( a collection of ancient, curious, and rare works, valuable MSS. connected with the history of the Salusbury Family and the annals of Denbigh Castle; paintings of old masters, & c.) became either scattered or lost. The fine-toned old organ, which once stood in the great hall, is that now at St. Hillary's Chapel. The late Lord Dinorben's father also cut down the remains of the ancient forest, and realised a very large sum of money by the timber, having brought Lleweni for L 200,000, much less, it is said, than the real value of the estate. "
The long standing and distinguished alliances of the Salusburys of Lleweni, in the Vale of Clwyd, and the high character borne by several of the line, render them a notable house, and awaken regret at their disappearance. The name is spelt differently in early writings - Salusbury, Salesbury, Salsbury, Salsberie. They were of Lleweni and Machymbyd. At what time they first came to Denbighshire, or how the surname originated, is not known, but it is believed that their origin was Welsh. John Salusbury, the third of the name known to us, was the founder of the Priory of White Friars at Denbigh, and died 1289.348
Gules (i.e. red background), a lion rampant argent (i.e. white), crowned or (i.e. gold) between three crescents of the last (i.e. gold).
'According to our Welsh records, Lleweni was originally called Llysmarchweithian, the Court of Marchweithian [ancestor of Katherine of Berain] one of the founders of the Fifteen Tribes, or patrician families, of North Wales; but tradition makes it to have been nothing more than Pwll-y-Llyffant, or Toad's Pool, until Sir John y Bodiau slew the white lioness in the Tower of London, and was, henceforth, commanded by the king to bear a white lioness ("llewen") on his shield, and set one over his hall door; and thence called the place Lleweni. This evidently refers to the heraldic motto - Sat est prostrasse leoni. Indeed, the author, although a very sanguine Welshman, cannot help coming to the conclusion that it is quite possible that Lleweni may be a Welsh corruption of the Latin 'leoni', the very word inscribed over the entrance of the ancient palace, as its being an English 'barbarism' of the Welsh 'Llwyni' or 'groves'. It is not known to what the legend refers, but it may be rendered, "It is enough to have prostrated to a lion, - to have done homage to a lion" or, "it is no disgrace to have succumbed to a lion," or, "the magnanimous lion requires no more than homage as a title to the territory." Most of these heraldic mottoes are ambiguous. Whether these armorial bearings refer to any grant or title from Richard Coeur de Lion we know not. The three crescents and Saracen (as seen under Sir John y Bodiau's head) evidently refer to the Crusades.
The ancient palace of Lleweni was, in its time, one of the most princely mansions of North Wales, and although it stood on a dead level, surrounded by its extensive Forest, it commanded an enchanting view of the Castle and Town of Denbigh, - a city built on a hill; its eastern side. The original house was built in 720 A. D. This venerable and interesting mansion was taken down for materials to build Kinmel Palace. The old Lleweni Library (a collection of ancient, curious and rare works, valuable MSS, connected with the history of the Salusbury family, and the annals of Denbigh Castle; paintings of old masters, &c.,) became either scattered or lost. The fine-toned old organ, which once stood in the great hall, is that now in St. Hilary's Chapel [Denbigh]. The late Lord Dinorben's father also cut down the remains of the ancient forest, and realized a very large sum of money by the timber, having bought Lleweni for £209,000, much less, it is said, than the real value of the estate.'
Quoted from 'Ancient and Modern Denbigh'.
This son...... JOHN SALUSBURY, would naturally succeed the father in his possessions and probably is the very John whose death is recorded as having taken place in the year 1289. He had married Katherine Seymour, and had by her a son... HENRY SALUSBURY, who succeeded to the estates of his father and grandfather.
According to Peter Ellis, the first Sir John Salusbury of Lleweni died in 1089; his father being settled here in the time of the Conqueror. He also states that the first Salusbury of Lleweni was Syr Harry Ddu, a name rendered famous by our ancient Welsh minstrels. Reinault, however, makes this Syr Harry to be the 4th Salusbury, who died in 1289. But we think the latter must be mistaken, as the knight who died in 1289 was Sir John Salusbury, who, on his return from the Crusades in 1284, founded the Abbey at Denbigh, as proved by a monumental brass discovered in the crypt of that ruin some years back. According to Burke, this Sir John was grandson of Adam de Salzburg, governor of this castle; but he tells us elsewhere that Lleweni was given to Black Sir Harry by Edward 1, in 1284. It would, however, appear to us that the only way of reconciling these disagreeing authorities is to take Sir John, who founded the Abbey, to be Black Sir Harry's son, and grandson to Adam de Salzburg.
So far as we have been able to decipher, no Salisbury is mentioned in Henry de Lacy's Charter, when he grants tenements, &c...within and without the walls of "Denbigh," and at "Lleweni"...to his numerous followers, the Del Pekes, Pigots, De Westmorlands, Blackburns &c. The fact of their already holding their grants direct from the crown may account for this remarkable omission. "According to our Welsh records, Lleweni was originally called Llysmarchweithian, the Court of Marchweithian, one of the founders of the Fifteen Tribes, or patrician families, of North Wales; but tradition makes it to have been nothing more than Pwll-y-Llyffant, or Toad's Pool, until Sir John y Bodiau slew the white lioness in the tower of London, and was henceforth commanded by the king to wear a white lioness ( "llewen" * ) on his shield, and set one over his hall door; and hence the place was called Lleweni. This evidently refers to the heraldic motto...Sat est prostrasse Leoni. Indeed the author, although a very sanguine Welshman, cannot help coming to the conclusion that it is quite as possible that Lleweni may be a Welsh corruption of the Latin Leoni, the very word inscribed over the entrance of the ancient palace, as its being an English "barbarism" of the Welsh Llwyni or groves. It is not known to what the legend refers, but it may be rendered, "It is enough to have prostrated to a lion,...to have done homage to a lion; or "It is no disgrace to have succumbed to a lion," or "the magnanimous lion requires no more than homage as a title to the territory." Most of those heraldic mottoes are ambiguous. Whether these armorial bearings refer to any grant or title from Richard Coeur de Lion we know not. The 3 crescents and Saracen (as seen under Sir John y Bodiau's head) evidently refer to the Crusades. "The ancient palace of Lleweni was, in its time, one of the most princely mansions in North Wales; and although it stood on a dead level, surrounded by its extensive forest, it commanded an enchanting view of the castle and town of Denbigh...a city built on a hill; as well of the majestic heights which flank the Vale, especially on its eastern side. The original house was built in AD 720. This venerable and interesting mansion was taken down for materials to build Kinmel Palace. The old Lleweni Library, ( a collection of ancient, curious, and rare works, valuable MSS. connected with the history of the Salusbury Family and the annals of Denbigh Castle; paintings of old masters, & c.) became either scattered or lost. The fine-toned old organ, which once stood in the great hall, is that now at St. Hillary's Chapel. The late Lord Dinorben's father also cut down the remains of the ancient forest, and realised a very large sum of money by the timber, having brought Lleweni for L 200,000, much less, it is said, than the real value of the estate. "
The long standing and distinguished alliances of the Salusburys of Lleweni, in the Vale of Clwyd, and the high character borne by several of the line, render them a notable house, and awaken regret at their disappearance. The name is spelt differently in early writings - Salusbury, Salesbury, Salsbury, Salsberie. They were of Lleweni and Machymbyd. At what time they first came to Denbighshire, or how the surname originated, is not known, but it is believed that their origin was Welsh. John Salusbury, the third of the name known to us, was the founder of the Priory of White Friars at Denbigh, and died 1289.348