Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
NameRoger DE QUINCY 2d Earl Of Winchester, 22G Grandfather
FatherSaher DE QUINCY Earl Of Winchester (~1155-1219)
MotherMargaret DE BEAUMONT (~1160-1234)
Spouses
1Helen DE GALLOWAY Countess Of Worcester, 22G Grandmother
FatherAlan DE GALLOWAY Lord Of Galloway (-1234)
MotherRagnhild DE L' ISLE (~1174-~1212)
Web Notes notes for Roger DE QUINCY 2d Earl Of Winchester
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . . " (38:27), (53:28), (57:28), (189:4), (224:28), (236:8). Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Berkeley, p.128), identifies him as the father of MARGARET.
Dictionary of National Biography, vol. 16, p. 558: "Roger de Quincy, second earl of Winchester (1195?-1264), the second son of SAER DE QUINCY, was, with his father, excommunicated by Innocent III in 1215. He probably joined his father in his crusade, and his eldest brother ROBERT being dead, he did homage, and received livery of his father's lands in February 1221; the time that had elapsed since his father's death suggests his absence from England. He did not, however, succeed to the earldom until his mother's death (19 Feb. 1235). Meanwhile, in 1222, he served in the king's [HENRY III] army in Poitou. Having married HELEN, eldest daughter and coheiress of ALAN LORD OF GALLOWAY, who died in 1234, he divided ALAN's lands with the husbands of his wife's sisters, John de Baliol and William, afterwards earl of Albemarle (d. 1260). The rights of ALAN's daughters were disputed by Thomas, ALAN's natural son, and the Gallwegians, preferring one lord to three, requested their king, Alexander II, either to take the inheritance himself or grant it to Thomas. On his refusal they rebelled, and were defeated by Alexander, who established the three lords in their portions of ALAN's domains, Roger being constable of Scotland in right of his wife. . . .
He served with THE KING in Guienne in 1242, and was one of the nobles who in that year obtained leave from HENRY to return to England. . .
On the death of his sister-in-law, the Countess of Albemarle, without issue in 1246, a further part of Galloway fell to him in right of his wife. He ruled the chiefs with excessive strictness; they rose against him suddenly, and in 1247 besieged him in one of his castles. Preferring to risk death by the sword to the certainty of death by famine, he armed himself fully, mounted his charger, caused the gates of the castle to be thrown open, and attended by a few followers, cut his way through the besiegers, and rode for his life until he reached the Scottish king's court. Alexander took up his cause, punished the rebels, and reestablished him in his domains. "Earl Roger attended the parliament held in London on 9 Feb. 1248, at which HENRY III was reproved for his misgovernment, and also the parliament of 1254, at which the prelates and magnates expressed their distrust of THE KING. In July 1257 THE KING appointed him a joint commissioner for composing the disputes between the young king of Scotland, Alexander III, and certain of his nobles, or, in other words, between Alan Durward, the head of the party that upheld the English influence, and the Comyns. In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the 12 elected by the community to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament.
Roger de Quincy - Died on April 25, 1264
Roger was the 2nd Earl of Winchester and High Constable of Scotland. The Dictionary of National Biography, (Sidney Lee, editor; London, 1894) suggests that Roger was the 3rd Earl after succeeding his older brother Robert de Quincy who died shortly after Saher de Quincy.
The arms of Roger de Quincy are described as "Gules, seven mascules conjoined, three, three, and one, or." (A.C. Fox-Davies: A Complete Guide to Heraldry, London, 1909) These are the same arms used by the Quincys of Massachusetts. According to Richard Thomson, An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John (London, 1829) page 251, these arms were borne by William de Ferrers, Earl of Groby (circa 1215).
Roger married Helen of Galloway, daughter of Alan of Galloway, Lord of Galloway, High Constable of Scotland and Advisor to King John. Roger and Helen had the following daughters:
Margaret de Quincy who married circa 1238 to William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby.
Elizabeth de Quincy who married to Alexander de Comyn, Earl of Buchan, Constable of Scotland.
Elena de Quincy who married to Alan, Baron Zouche of Ashby la Souche in Leicester.
Both Lord Roger and his father Saher de Quincy did their best to temper the despotism of the English monarchy. The first Earl was one of twenty-five barons who were to enforce the Magna Carta against King John. The second Earl upheld the Provisions of Oxford against King Henry III. Roger de Quincy, with his father Saher and elder brother Robert were Crusaders fighting under the standard of Richard “The Lionhearted” on the Third Crusade. Saher and Robert died before they could return to England. Roger alone returned to inherit the family estates in 1221. He became the second Earl of Winchester on the death of his brother in 1235 and died in 1264.
Dictionary of National Biography, vol. 16, p. 558: "Roger de Quincy, second earl of Winchester (1195?-1264), the second son of SAER DE QUINCY, was, with his father, excommunicated by Innocent III in 1215. He probably joined his father in his crusade, and his eldest brother ROBERT being dead, he did homage, and received livery of his father's lands in February 1221; the time that had elapsed since his father's death suggests his absence from England. He did not, however, succeed to the earldom until his mother's death (19 Feb. 1235). Meanwhile, in 1222, he served in the king's [HENRY III] army in Poitou. Having married HELEN, eldest daughter and coheiress of ALAN LORD OF GALLOWAY, who died in 1234, he divided ALAN's lands with the husbands of his wife's sisters, John de Baliol and William, afterwards earl of Albemarle (d. 1260). The rights of ALAN's daughters were disputed by Thomas, ALAN's natural son, and the Gallwegians, preferring one lord to three, requested their king, Alexander II, either to take the inheritance himself or grant it to Thomas. On his refusal they rebelled, and were defeated by Alexander, who established the three lords in their portions of ALAN's domains, Roger being constable of Scotland in right of his wife. . . .
He served with THE KING in Guienne in 1242, and was one of the nobles who in that year obtained leave from HENRY to return to England. . .
On the death of his sister-in-law, the Countess of Albemarle, without issue in 1246, a further part of Galloway fell to him in right of his wife. He ruled the chiefs with excessive strictness; they rose against him suddenly, and in 1247 besieged him in one of his castles. Preferring to risk death by the sword to the certainty of death by famine, he armed himself fully, mounted his charger, caused the gates of the castle to be thrown open, and attended by a few followers, cut his way through the besiegers, and rode for his life until he reached the Scottish king's court. Alexander took up his cause, punished the rebels, and reestablished him in his domains. "Earl Roger attended the parliament held in London on 9 Feb. 1248, at which HENRY III was reproved for his misgovernment, and also the parliament of 1254, at which the prelates and magnates expressed their distrust of THE KING. In July 1257 THE KING appointed him a joint commissioner for composing the disputes between the young king of Scotland, Alexander III, and certain of his nobles, or, in other words, between Alan Durward, the head of the party that upheld the English influence, and the Comyns. In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the 12 elected by the community to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament.
Roger de Quincy - Died on April 25, 1264
Roger was the 2nd Earl of Winchester and High Constable of Scotland. The Dictionary of National Biography, (Sidney Lee, editor; London, 1894) suggests that Roger was the 3rd Earl after succeeding his older brother Robert de Quincy who died shortly after Saher de Quincy.
The arms of Roger de Quincy are described as "Gules, seven mascules conjoined, three, three, and one, or." (A.C. Fox-Davies: A Complete Guide to Heraldry, London, 1909) These are the same arms used by the Quincys of Massachusetts. According to Richard Thomson, An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John (London, 1829) page 251, these arms were borne by William de Ferrers, Earl of Groby (circa 1215).
Roger married Helen of Galloway, daughter of Alan of Galloway, Lord of Galloway, High Constable of Scotland and Advisor to King John. Roger and Helen had the following daughters:
Margaret de Quincy who married circa 1238 to William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby.
Elizabeth de Quincy who married to Alexander de Comyn, Earl of Buchan, Constable of Scotland.
Elena de Quincy who married to Alan, Baron Zouche of Ashby la Souche in Leicester.
Both Lord Roger and his father Saher de Quincy did their best to temper the despotism of the English monarchy. The first Earl was one of twenty-five barons who were to enforce the Magna Carta against King John. The second Earl upheld the Provisions of Oxford against King Henry III. Roger de Quincy, with his father Saher and elder brother Robert were Crusaders fighting under the standard of Richard “The Lionhearted” on the Third Crusade. Saher and Robert died before they could return to England. Roger alone returned to inherit the family estates in 1221. He became the second Earl of Winchester on the death of his brother in 1235 and died in 1264.