Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
NameDavid Mor DE LA ROCHE 4th Lord Fermoy, 16G Grandfather
FatherMaurice DE LA ROCHE 3d Lord Fermoy (-1448)
Web Notes notes for David Mor DE LA ROCHE 4th Lord Fermoy
Extract from: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage , 1976.
FERMOY [Observations - This is one of the Irish Peerages by prescription, i.e. Peerages which were recognized in 1489, by Henry VII, (b) but of the mode of whose creation, if such ever occurred, nothing is known.]
The Lords of Roche of Fermoy were ranked 2nd among the Irish Barons in 1489 and in 1490; in 1541 they were 6th below the Earls; and in 1560 and 1585 they were 2nd below the Earls, being on the last named occasion styled Viscounts for the first time. There is, however, no evidence of their creation as Viscounts at any time, and this and the Viscountcy of Barry (or Buttevant) seem, as G.D. Burtchaell points out (c) to be cases of audacious and successful assumptions of a higher title, which could hardly have occurred anywhere but in Ireland.
It must be observed that the pedigree of these Lords is extremely [?] and affords no trustworthy information as to their succession during the earlier period.]
David Roche (called "The Great"), of Fermoy, co. Cork, s. and h. of Maurice Roche, of the same , by [Amy?] da. Of Donald Oge Mac-Carty-More, appears to have been recognized as a Peer of Parl., Lord Roche of Fermoy, co Cork [1], in the reign of Edward IV. He m. Joan da.of Walter de Burgh, otherwise MacWilliam. He d. before May 1488.
FERMOY [Observations - This is one of the Irish Peerages by prescription, i.e. Peerages which were recognized in 1489, by Henry VII, (b) but of the mode of whose creation, if such ever occurred, nothing is known.]
The Lords of Roche of Fermoy were ranked 2nd among the Irish Barons in 1489 and in 1490; in 1541 they were 6th below the Earls; and in 1560 and 1585 they were 2nd below the Earls, being on the last named occasion styled Viscounts for the first time. There is, however, no evidence of their creation as Viscounts at any time, and this and the Viscountcy of Barry (or Buttevant) seem, as G.D. Burtchaell points out (c) to be cases of audacious and successful assumptions of a higher title, which could hardly have occurred anywhere but in Ireland.
It must be observed that the pedigree of these Lords is extremely [?] and affords no trustworthy information as to their succession during the earlier period.]
David Roche (called "The Great"), of Fermoy, co. Cork, s. and h. of Maurice Roche, of the same , by [Amy?] da. Of Donald Oge Mac-Carty-More, appears to have been recognized as a Peer of Parl., Lord Roche of Fermoy, co Cork [1], in the reign of Edward IV. He m. Joan da.of Walter de Burgh, otherwise MacWilliam. He d. before May 1488.