Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
NameRónán MacColmáin O'CHENNSELAIG 19th King Of Leinster, 39G Grandfather
Web Notes notes for Rónán MacColmáin O'CHENNSELAIG 19th King Of Leinster
Kelley's "The Ancestry of Eve of Leinster" (The Genealogist, 1980) II:10.
sbald@@auburn.campus.mci.net (Stewart Baldwin) posted to
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"He appears in the Ui Chennselaig king list in LL.40a, but the reign lengths given in the early part of that list do not seem to be trustworthy, making it impossible to accurately date him. He has sometimes been identified with Ronan mac Colmain, king of Laigin, who died in 624 [AU], but there is not wide agreement as to whether the king of Laigin named Ronan mac Colmain whose obituary appears in the annals is to be identified with this Ronan or with Ronan, son of Colman mac Cairpri of the Ui Dunlainge (number 286720 in this ancestor table). Byrne, in his tables in IKHK and NHI, is noncommittal on the subject, Corrain, in IRS, identifies the king of Laigin with the king of Ui Chennselaig, and Mac Niocaill, in IBV, identifies the king of Laigin with the Ui Dunlainge man of that name (correctly, in my opinion).
In the genealogies, Ronan's father appears sometimes as Colman, sometimes as Columb (genetive Coluim). The combined testimony of the Ui Chennselaig king list in LL (which calls him Ronan mac Coluim) and an entry in AU under the year 658 (which gives an obituary for Blathmac son of Ronan son of Columb) appears to weigh in favor of Ronan's father being named Columb, and therefore against the identification with king Ronan mac Colmain of Laigin. (However, this cannot be regarded as conclusive, as Colman appears to have been a diminutive of the name Coluim.) Just to add to the confusion, it is interesting to note that the nearby dynasty of Osraige had a Crundmael mac Ronan meic Colmain (ancestor of the later "main" line of the kings of Osraige) who was a contemporary of Ronan mac Coluim (Colmain) and his son Crundmael. Finally, it should be
pointed out that the above problem is only relevant with respect to whether or not this Ronan was king of Laigin (Leinster), and does not affect the genealogy itself."
sbald@@auburn.campus.mci.net (Stewart Baldwin) posted to
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L-request@@rootsweb.com on 26 Nov 1998
Subject: Llywelyn AT:
"He appears in the Ui Chennselaig king list in LL.40a, but the reign lengths given in the early part of that list do not seem to be trustworthy, making it impossible to accurately date him. He has sometimes been identified with Ronan mac Colmain, king of Laigin, who died in 624 [AU], but there is not wide agreement as to whether the king of Laigin named Ronan mac Colmain whose obituary appears in the annals is to be identified with this Ronan or with Ronan, son of Colman mac Cairpri of the Ui Dunlainge (number 286720 in this ancestor table). Byrne, in his tables in IKHK and NHI, is noncommittal on the subject, Corrain, in IRS, identifies the king of Laigin with the king of Ui Chennselaig, and Mac Niocaill, in IBV, identifies the king of Laigin with the Ui Dunlainge man of that name (correctly, in my opinion).
In the genealogies, Ronan's father appears sometimes as Colman, sometimes as Columb (genetive Coluim). The combined testimony of the Ui Chennselaig king list in LL (which calls him Ronan mac Coluim) and an entry in AU under the year 658 (which gives an obituary for Blathmac son of Ronan son of Columb) appears to weigh in favor of Ronan's father being named Columb, and therefore against the identification with king Ronan mac Colmain of Laigin. (However, this cannot be regarded as conclusive, as Colman appears to have been a diminutive of the name Coluim.) Just to add to the confusion, it is interesting to note that the nearby dynasty of Osraige had a Crundmael mac Ronan meic Colmain (ancestor of the later "main" line of the kings of Osraige) who was a contemporary of Ronan mac Coluim (Colmain) and his son Crundmael. Finally, it should be
pointed out that the above problem is only relevant with respect to whether or not this Ronan was king of Laigin (Leinster), and does not affect the genealogy itself."