Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
Kevin Patrick Mostyn Family - Person Sheet
NameGeoffrey FITZPIERS 4th Earl Of Essex, 23G Grandfather
FatherPiers DE LUTEGARESHALE (~1134-1179)
MotherMaud (~1138-)
Spouses
1Beatrice DE SAY, 25G Grandmother
FatherWilliam DE SAY (~1126-~1177)
MotherAufrica Of Scotland (~1136-)
ChildrenMaud (-1236)
2Aveline DE CLARE, 23G Grandmother
FatherRoger FitzRichard DE CLARE Earl Of Hertford (~1116-1173)
MotherMaud DE ST HILARY (1132-1193)
ChildrenJohn (~1208-1258)
Web Notes notes for Geoffrey FITZPIERS 4th Earl Of Essex
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (246B:27), (246C:27), he was Earl of Essex by right of his first wife and was Justiciar of England 1198-1213. Also mentioned (72:29), (97:27). Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Essex, pp. 122-125). He was a Justice of the Forest 1185-1189, sheriff at various times of of Northants, Essex, Herts, Staffordshire, Yorkshire, Westmoreland, Bedford, and Bucks. In 1198 he defeated the Welsh at Castle Maud. Along with Archbishop Hubert and WILLIAM MARSHAL, EARL OF PEMBROKE, he persuaded the magnates to swear fealty to KING JOHN.
The two most recent editions of the Weis books (MCS4 and ARCC7) show Geoffrey Fitz Piers, Earl of Essex as son of Maud de Mandeville, daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex. I suspect that the derivation of this claim is a misreading of a table in CP, vol. 5 (Essex), where the parents of Fitz Piers, Piers and Maud (as well as Maud's other husband), are placed under the horizontal line connecting the children of Geoffrey de Mandeville, but without a vertical connection to that line. (In
other words, they were tucked in there for the sake of spacial layout, without intending to suggest a relationship.)
The accepted and documented descent of the Earldom of Essex to Geoffrey Fitz Piers runs through his first wife, Beatrice de Say, who was granddaughter of Beatrice, sister of Geoffrey de Mandeville. That this descent was the determining factor in the grant of Essex to Geoffrey Fitz Piers can be seen from the passing of Essex to de Bohun following the death of the sons of Geoffrey Fitz Piers and Beatrice de Say, bypassing Geoffrey's heir male, John Fitz Geoffrey, son by his second wife Avelina de Clare. Were there a "better" descent from Mandeville through the mother of Geoffrey Fitz Piers, then John Fitz Geoffrey surely would have been the heir. Based on this, I do not think Maud, mother of Geoffrey Fitz Piers could have been daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville.
The two most recent editions of the Weis books (MCS4 and ARCC7) show Geoffrey Fitz Piers, Earl of Essex as son of Maud de Mandeville, daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex. I suspect that the derivation of this claim is a misreading of a table in CP, vol. 5 (Essex), where the parents of Fitz Piers, Piers and Maud (as well as Maud's other husband), are placed under the horizontal line connecting the children of Geoffrey de Mandeville, but without a vertical connection to that line. (In
other words, they were tucked in there for the sake of spacial layout, without intending to suggest a relationship.)
The accepted and documented descent of the Earldom of Essex to Geoffrey Fitz Piers runs through his first wife, Beatrice de Say, who was granddaughter of Beatrice, sister of Geoffrey de Mandeville. That this descent was the determining factor in the grant of Essex to Geoffrey Fitz Piers can be seen from the passing of Essex to de Bohun following the death of the sons of Geoffrey Fitz Piers and Beatrice de Say, bypassing Geoffrey's heir male, John Fitz Geoffrey, son by his second wife Avelina de Clare. Were there a "better" descent from Mandeville through the mother of Geoffrey Fitz Piers, then John Fitz Geoffrey surely would have been the heir. Based on this, I do not think Maud, mother of Geoffrey Fitz Piers could have been daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville.